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Mikael51

Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:11am

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Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:11am

Jeffers wrote on Sun May 28, 2023 9:28pm:

Not correct.

I have a wise account and pay all my DDs through it.

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I was with Sabadell but when they told me they wanted 240/160 euros a year enough was enough and I opened a Wise account

does anyone know if you can use Wise to effect completion of purchase at the Notario's office?   Notario normally wants a copy of a draft for which spanish banks charge very high fees..can a Wise euro account get round this problem? 

Jeffers

Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 6:51am

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Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 6:51am

Mikael51 wrote on Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:11am:

does anyone know if you can use Wise to effect completion of purchase at the Notario's office?   Notario normally wants a copy of a draft for which spanish banks charge very high fees..can a Wise euro account get round this problem? 

I've never tried to do that, so don't know if the Notary will accept any card.

I would check with your solicitor.

Holaitsdavid

Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 3:59pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 3:59pm

Jeffers wrote on Thu Jun 1, 2023 6:51am:

I've never tried to do that, so don't know if the Notary will accept any card.

I would check with your solicitor.

You would deposit the money from Wise to your Lawyers account and they would attend the notary with a bankers draft from their bank. They have special safe accounts for the purpose.     

Mikael51

Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:41pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:41pm

Holaitsdavid wrote on Thu Jun 1, 2023 3:59pm:

You would deposit the money from Wise to your Lawyers account and they would attend the notary with a bankers draft from their bank. They have special safe accounts for the purpose.     

Thanks for the responses...it appears to get better...according to wise they will transfer the euros to the Notario's account using an IBAN number and this will satisfy the requirements and assist in avoiding gi-normous bank fees...I am attempting to arrange this now 

Holaitsdavid

Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:20pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:20pm

Mikael51 wrote on Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:41pm:

Thanks for the responses...it appears to get better...according to wise they will transfer the euros to the Notario's account using an IBAN number and this will satisfy the requirements and assist in avoiding gi-normous bank fees...I am attempting to arrange this now 

Are you not using a Lawyer? It's not as clear cut as just paying the Notary a number of transactions take place, including tax, 

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Morelo S

Posted: Fri Jun 2, 2023 7:35am

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Posted: Fri Jun 2, 2023 7:35am

Holaitsdavid wrote on Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:20pm:

Are you not using a Lawyer? It's not as clear cut as just paying the Notary a number of transactions take place, including tax, 

Exactly, some Spanish private sellers will tell you that its nothing to buy a property, just arrange a meet at the Notary and pay! In principle that is so, but only one small facet of the process. I was buying a house with parking and had a lawyer on the case. I found by accident an additional parking and store available from another seller who said just that, we can do the sale this week. Nooooo, it still went through my lawyer to check all the provenance, unpaid taxes, building license, status of electric account etc etc. Also as I am in a small community of 10 houses, getting copies of the last 2-3 years AGM minutes, to identify any exposure there as well can easily be missed.  

Sooie

Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:12am

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Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:12am

Holaitsdavid wrote on Sun May 28, 2023 6:07pm:

Indeed N26 opened Spain does all banks can do with payments, at far lower cost and offer a Spanish IBAN to pay all debits and bills, they are very efficient, with the card you can draw cash and pay in stores. (People need to be in Spain with an NIE number and address to open) I use that and Wise,...

... with a Euro account UK, it's perfect to feed N26 and do all low cost money transfers from UK. 

The question  "Do you know if a Wise account is recognised as 'proper'  answer of course, (both Wise and N26 have full banking licence and protection)  one gentleman on the forum stated only uses Wise for all, including direct debits, the key having their Belgium IBAN number, you cannot be forced to have a Spanish Bank account, (in most cases best avoided) But the bank must have a Eurozone IBAN.

  https://wise.com/

Wise is not a bank and not covered by the same banking standards or protections. It is a money services provider. That said .. for money transfers, and paying via card and some direct debits it’s excellent. There are though some companies and institutions that will not accept it for direct debit payments.

Mikael51

Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:24am

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Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:24am

Holaitsdavid wrote on Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:20pm:

Are you not using a Lawyer? It's not as clear cut as just paying the Notary a number of transactions take place, including tax, 

Of course I'm using a lawyer ... and having a survey done ...I mentioned the banking process because conversion to euros and euros transfer for purchase can add a considerable amount to the purchase process and most banks charge extraordinary amounts to produce the draft for completion...are you suggesting that using a lawyer bypasses these costs ?

Holaitsdavid

Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 4:56pm

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Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 4:56pm

Sooie wrote on Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:12am:

Wise is not a bank and not covered by the same banking standards or protections. It is a money services provider. That said .. for money transfers, and paying via card and some direct debits it’s excellent. There are though some companies and institutions that will not accept it for direct debi...

...t payments.

How Wise keeps your money safe

We’re licensed to hold your money and, as part of keeping it safe, we follow strict rules set out by the regulators in the countries where we operate. 

As of 30 September 2022, our customers are trusting us with the equivalent of 9.2 billion GBP in their Wise accounts.

If you keep money with us, our regulatory obligation is to hold all of it in cash and secure liquid assets. 

Why do banks need deposit insurance?https://wise.com/help/articles/2949821/how-wise-keeps-your-money-safe


Holaitsdavid

Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 5:37pm

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Posted: Sun Jun 4, 2023 5:37pm

Mikael51 wrote on Sun Jun 4, 2023 11:24am:

Of course I'm using a lawyer ... and having a survey done ...I mentioned the banking process because conversion to euros and euros transfer for purchase can add a considerable amount to the purchase process and most banks charge extraordinary amounts to produce the draft for completion...are you ...

...suggesting that using a lawyer bypasses these costs ?

"I mentioned the banking process because conversion to euros and euros transfer for purchase can add a considerable amount"

That's why people use firms like Wise, high street banks charges are high. A good law firm will have a trust account? a "special" bank account, usually a checking account or its equivalent, for client money the lawyer holds. You transfer the money there and they settle all the payments to the seller, taxes, the notary fee, plus on the day the payment to the real estate agent, if purchased via one. (normally about 5% in Spain), they show up at the notary to pick up their fat check! The lawyer do checks and also make sure the seller produces the utility bills, plus check the equivalent of UK rates paid Town Hall, in Spain they have a charge over the property,, if any bills not paid they pass to the buyer because attached to the property not the person.  

If an older property you should always ask the selling agent or seller for the 'ITE' and the CEE (energy certificate) as the law requires them to be available when the property is being marketed. https://surveyspain.com/2020/06/18/technical-inspection-requirements-structural-stability-spain/


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