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Fencing off land to breed dogs that bark incessantly

Posted: Sun Feb 7, 2021 12:18pm
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KevinBD

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I am tormented by barking dogs that an owner breeds at the top of the village. They are left out in all weather and just bark day an night. The owner is very aggressive and refuses to control them. I wrote to the ayuntamiento and the mayor, but I have been told that the dog breeder is a relative of the mayor and nothing has been done to control the dogs. It does look like he has just fenced off land as well and the conditions are very poor for the animals. Anybody any information?

Kerri

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:23am

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:23am

Hi Kevin

I sympathize with your situation!  We have a similar thing going on here (its probably all over Spain in villages).  We wrote to the Ayuntamiento (nothing of course), badgered them through their FB page (nothing of course), went to the Guardia Civil (nothing of course).  Then we corralled a Spanish speaker to help who came again to the GC (we had created a Denuncia - see below - + pictures) and pushed and pushed them and finally they came with us to SEE with their own eyes the condition of the dogs.  THEN they contacted Seprona  (https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2016/07/29/seprona-campaign-against-animal-cruelty/).  Seprona came down within a day but the HUNTER who keeps these dogs had cleaned up his act a bit so of course the result was nothing.  Seprona said the dogs were ok!!!  Of course!

YES, these so called "hunters" who have dogs in cages all around the beautiful valleys and hills surrounding the Villages, as they have done forever, are usually connected with the villagers and are protected.  Unfortunately because they claim themselves "hunters" their dogs fall outside the protection of "domestic animals".  

We completed a denuncia which is offered here:  https://pacma.es/denuncias/.  Its very good and gives you some structure to issue a complaint.  Its worth doing.  Because of our complaints the situation with two dogs in particular was improved.  The owner built a small space for them to go outside.  

We continue to badger the Ayuntamiento whenever it is possible, sending them information about court cases, etc to their email address.  Of course we get no reply.  We don't expect this situation to change over night BUT, the more people shine a light on it, then eventually, sooner or later one must hope that conditions will improve, if only slightly.

In my personal experience even non Spanish will say "oh those are hunters dogs" as if this justifies the cruelty delivered to their poor lives.   As foreigners the authorities here just ignore our attempts to shine a light on it.  Try to find someone who can go with you to the Guardia Civil and force them to listen (with the denuncia).  The Spanish speaker must be able to repeat and repeat that the GC MUST go with you to SEE with their own eyes the cruelty and MAKE them report it to Seprona.  Then follow up.

All this of course takes time and effort and it seems pointless as nothing much will change, BUT to me its not pointless.  You know the expression about how things will never change when good people choose to look the other way.  I hope you can find some local help to not let the authorities get off the hook in your Village either.  We live here, we pay taxes here, we contribute to the community here and this cruelty is something that most foreigners here abhor and if more were aware of it, less would probably come.  

Of course the other issue is the noise and pollution level (with all the rubbish strewn around!).  Its so disturbing to your life all the barking.  We have not yet pursued this line with the Ayuntamiento but will not expect much to change sadly.

You are definitely not alone Kevin!!.  

Kerri

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:16am

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:16am

Kerri wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:23am:

Hi Kevin

I sympathize with your situation!  We have a similar thing going on here (its probably all over Spain in villages).  We wrote to the Ayuntamiento (nothing of course), badgered them through their FB page (nothing of course), went to the Guardia Civil (nothing of course).  Then we co...

...rralled a Spanish speaker to help who came again to the GC (we had created a Denuncia - see below - + pictures) and pushed and pushed them and finally they came with us to SEE with their own eyes the condition of the dogs.  THEN they contacted Seprona  (https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2016/07/29/seprona-campaign-against-animal-cruelty/).  Seprona came down within a day but the HUNTER who keeps these dogs had cleaned up his act a bit so of course the result was nothing.  Seprona said the dogs were ok!!!  Of course!

YES, these so called "hunters" who have dogs in cages all around the beautiful valleys and hills surrounding the Villages, as they have done forever, are usually connected with the villagers and are protected.  Unfortunately because they claim themselves "hunters" their dogs fall outside the protection of "domestic animals".  

We completed a denuncia which is offered here:  https://pacma.es/denuncias/.  Its very good and gives you some structure to issue a complaint.  Its worth doing.  Because of our complaints the situation with two dogs in particular was improved.  The owner built a small space for them to go outside.  

We continue to badger the Ayuntamiento whenever it is possible, sending them information about court cases, etc to their email address.  Of course we get no reply.  We don't expect this situation to change over night BUT, the more people shine a light on it, then eventually, sooner or later one must hope that conditions will improve, if only slightly.

In my personal experience even non Spanish will say "oh those are hunters dogs" as if this justifies the cruelty delivered to their poor lives.   As foreigners the authorities here just ignore our attempts to shine a light on it.  Try to find someone who can go with you to the Guardia Civil and force them to listen (with the denuncia).  The Spanish speaker must be able to repeat and repeat that the GC MUST go with you to SEE with their own eyes the cruelty and MAKE them report it to Seprona.  Then follow up.

All this of course takes time and effort and it seems pointless as nothing much will change, BUT to me its not pointless.  You know the expression about how things will never change when good people choose to look the other way.  I hope you can find some local help to not let the authorities get off the hook in your Village either.  We live here, we pay taxes here, we contribute to the community here and this cruelty is something that most foreigners here abhor and if more were aware of it, less would probably come.  

Of course the other issue is the noise and pollution level (with all the rubbish strewn around!).  Its so disturbing to your life all the barking.  We have not yet pursued this line with the Ayuntamiento but will not expect much to change sadly.

You are definitely not alone Kevin!!.  

Kerri

Thank you Kerri, I am being driven to distraction by the endless noise. I will let you know how it goes

Kerri

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:38am

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:38am

Also to mention - https://pacma.es/ - This political party is Spanish and they are fighting - and winning in many cases - the war on animal cruelty.  Recently they won a case against someone keeping 50 dogs in a cage.  All dogs were released to charity orgs.  

So the war is being fought and in some cases won. Its not a hopeless case anymore.  They are really on the hunter fight now.

Definitely a party to support for those that care about animal welfare in Spain.

Kerri

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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:09pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:09pm

Kerri wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:23am:

Hi Kevin

I sympathize with your situation!  We have a similar thing going on here (its probably all over Spain in villages).  We wrote to the Ayuntamiento (nothing of course), badgered them through their FB page (nothing of course), went to the Guardia Civil (nothing of course).  Then we co...

...rralled a Spanish speaker to help who came again to the GC (we had created a Denuncia - see below - + pictures) and pushed and pushed them and finally they came with us to SEE with their own eyes the condition of the dogs.  THEN they contacted Seprona  (https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2016/07/29/seprona-campaign-against-animal-cruelty/).  Seprona came down within a day but the HUNTER who keeps these dogs had cleaned up his act a bit so of course the result was nothing.  Seprona said the dogs were ok!!!  Of course!

YES, these so called "hunters" who have dogs in cages all around the beautiful valleys and hills surrounding the Villages, as they have done forever, are usually connected with the villagers and are protected.  Unfortunately because they claim themselves "hunters" their dogs fall outside the protection of "domestic animals".  

We completed a denuncia which is offered here:  https://pacma.es/denuncias/.  Its very good and gives you some structure to issue a complaint.  Its worth doing.  Because of our complaints the situation with two dogs in particular was improved.  The owner built a small space for them to go outside.  

We continue to badger the Ayuntamiento whenever it is possible, sending them information about court cases, etc to their email address.  Of course we get no reply.  We don't expect this situation to change over night BUT, the more people shine a light on it, then eventually, sooner or later one must hope that conditions will improve, if only slightly.

In my personal experience even non Spanish will say "oh those are hunters dogs" as if this justifies the cruelty delivered to their poor lives.   As foreigners the authorities here just ignore our attempts to shine a light on it.  Try to find someone who can go with you to the Guardia Civil and force them to listen (with the denuncia).  The Spanish speaker must be able to repeat and repeat that the GC MUST go with you to SEE with their own eyes the cruelty and MAKE them report it to Seprona.  Then follow up.

All this of course takes time and effort and it seems pointless as nothing much will change, BUT to me its not pointless.  You know the expression about how things will never change when good people choose to look the other way.  I hope you can find some local help to not let the authorities get off the hook in your Village either.  We live here, we pay taxes here, we contribute to the community here and this cruelty is something that most foreigners here abhor and if more were aware of it, less would probably come.  

Of course the other issue is the noise and pollution level (with all the rubbish strewn around!).  Its so disturbing to your life all the barking.  We have not yet pursued this line with the Ayuntamiento but will not expect much to change sadly.

You are definitely not alone Kevin!!.  

Kerri

Thank you for your kind reply Kerry. The last thing I want is confrontation, mainly because I do not want to earn a name in the village as a bully. He is aggressive towards people, but I have never had that problem with him. I will create a denuncias and get somebody to go to the GC with me. I know an English lady who speaks very good Spanish, so fingers crossed.

Kerri

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:04pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:04pm

KevinBD wrote on Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:09pm:

Thank you for your kind reply Kerry. The last thing I want is confrontation, mainly because I do not want to earn a name in the village as a bully. He is aggressive towards people, but I have never had that problem with him. I will create a denuncias and get somebody to go to the GC with me. I kn...

...ow an English lady who speaks very good Spanish, so fingers crossed.

Let us know how you get on Kevin.  Good luck.  Its a very challenging situation for sure.

Avellana

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05am

Kerri wrote on Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:04pm:

Let us know how you get on Kevin.  Good luck.  Its a very challenging situation for sure.

Contact Richelle 
https://www.facebook.com/AskRichelleAndalucia/about
She is excellent.


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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:24pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:24pm

Avellana wrote on Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05am:

Contact Richelle 
https://www.facebook.com/AskRichelleAndalucia/about
She is excellent.


Unfortunately it's not something Richelle ever deals with.
I don't know anyone else who could help.
So sorry

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