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IS ANYONE GOING TO SOLVE THE DOG BARKING AND FOULING ISSUE IN THE PORT/MARINA? - Page 2

KevinBD

Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:05pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:05pm

SSJ wrote on Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:33pm:

Really sorry for you!  I love animals, especially those who are properly cared for - such as yours.  In no circumstances whatsoever, should dogs be allowed to roam parks, beaches, streets - anywhere, especially private residences such as Puerto Sotogrande, without a leash and a responsi...

...ble adult and... should be properly trained to respond to its owner.

I am in Puerto Sotogrande and see dogs of all sizes every day roaming ahead of their owner or even alone, without a leash... barking loudly and running.  My daughter's friends have been badly bitten and terrified by dogs so naturally my daughter is very afraid.

It is chaos!  I don't understand why Security/Police don't immediately fine everyone whose animal is not on a leash or is causing distress.  I haven't seen one sign near me that states dogs off leashes are prohibited. 

Your dog sounds lovely and I hope he isn't attacked again. 

So sorry for your daughter's friend. That is awful. My dog is huge, but the most timid and loveable dog ever. He is never allowed out alone or without a lead and his mess is always cleaned up and the area disinfected. The authorities need to enforce the law here and stop selfish dog owners letting their animals roam around. Get a dog warden and make their owners pay fines, soon cure them of their laziness.

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:08pm

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Kerri wrote on Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:30pm:

First let me say that I do not accept the animal cruelty in Spain as anywhere close to ok!!!  I will never say "this is Spain and its noisy, get used to it"  but the fact is that the authorities REFUSE to do anything at all about it.  If you are a foreigner then forget it entirely....

...  Unfortunately people in many parts of the world, Spain included, do not see animals the way we do.

Even though I said "forget it entirely..." I never think that staying quiet is the right approach.  Although nothing will be done I say you should write to the Ayuntamiento and contact the Police.  Report it and write about it and never stay quiet to accept it.  Its not acceptable.  Just have to accept nothing will be done NOW.  I believe that over time with enough people saying "enough already" that slowly change will happen.  Maybe not in our lifetime but sometime.  

If we all just accept it as "the Spanish way" then we support their animal indifferent culture.  With all change their requires a number of steps.  Change is difficult and as it is coming from outside this culture so there is resistance.  I have personally denounced hunting dogs being caged and have received violent responses even by my Spanish neighbours.  Seprona came and approved everything as "A OK".  So be prepared for unpleasant responses if you try to talk to the Spanish.  They will not accept your thoughts on this topic.  They have tied their culture to the way they treat animals in an unhealthy way (I believe).  But do report it to the authorities.  They are bound to follow up even though they will do nothing to stop it.

If you do report it please update us here.  Thank you and best wishes, Kerri

Thankfully, I am in a position where the Spanish tough guys will not take me on. They did at first, but time is a great leveller, but so is being from the very roughest part of Liverpool and quite substantial.

TB

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:34am

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:34am

It is strange reading these posts as they all blame the Spanish. 

Firstly, it seems the opening post doesn't know who owns the dog, they could be any nationality and secondly I have had problems over a couple of years with local dogs barking non-stop,

Owners,,,,,..... One German, one Dutch and then three British owners, no Spaniards featured at all!

So, don't rush to blame the Spanish and also remember bad behaviour by a dog is very seldom the dog's fault, it would be a good idea if people had to pass a knowledge test before owning a dog, a lot of people just don't have a clue about training.

KevinBD

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:19am

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:19am

TB wrote on Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:34am:

It is strange reading these posts as they all blame the Spanish. 

Firstly, it seems the opening post doesn't know who owns the dog, they could be any nationality and secondly I have had problems over a couple of years with local dogs barking non-stop,

Owners,,,,,..... One German, one Dutch and then three British owners, no Spaniards featured at all!

So, don't rush to blame the Spanish and also remember bad behaviour by a dog is very seldom the dog's fault, it would be a good idea if people had to pass a knowledge test before owning a dog, a lot of people just don't have a clue about training.

Do tell us ignorant people then. How do you train a dog to stop barking?

Kerri

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:37pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:37pm

TB wrote on Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:34am:

It is strange reading these posts as they all blame the Spanish. 

Firstly, it seems the opening post doesn't know who owns the dog, they could be any nationality and secondly I have had problems over a couple of years with local dogs barking non-stop,

Owners,,,,,..... One German, one Dutch and then three British owners, no Spaniards featured at all!

So, don't rush to blame the Spanish and also remember bad behaviour by a dog is very seldom the dog's fault, it would be a good idea if people had to pass a knowledge test before owning a dog, a lot of people just don't have a clue about training.

You are correct in saying that we should not generalize that it is only the Spanish who mistreat animals.  It is a human condition and a global problem.  Certainly there are many Spanish who are amazing pet owners and who work tirelessly in support of improved laws here in Spain to protect animals from cruelty and neglect.  I know many of them.

From my personal experience in Spain with animal neglect is that the authorities do little, if anything, to protect communities from the noise this neglect causes.  There appears to be little effort made to stop people letting their dogs shit anywhere, even busy sidewalks. 

Also there is this common 'theme' tossed around that Spain is a noisy place and that dogs bark all the time and that is the way it is.  I have had dogs all my life and they do not bark all the time - sometimes yes - all the time definitely not.  Its the caged dogs that have no human contact and the ones left all day every day on terraces and constrained in small apartments that bark in despair all the time, many hungry, thirsty and lonely.  There are laws in place which are not upheld by the authorities. [Perhaps this is because the laws were created by the EU and not by the Spanish authorities directly.]

I do not believe that the acceptance of animal neglect and cruelty should be encouraged under any condition.  Animals need a voice and we who care about them are all they have, wherever in the world they live and whichever culture their human owners come from.

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KevinBD

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:28pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:28pm

Kerri wrote on Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:37pm:

You are correct in saying that we should not generalize that it is only the Spanish who mistreat animals.  It is a human condition and a global problem.  Certainly there are many Spanish who are amazing pet owners and who work tirelessly in support of improved laws here in Spain to prot...

...ect animals from cruelty and neglect.  I know many of them.

From my personal experience in Spain with animal neglect is that the authorities do little, if anything, to protect communities from the noise this neglect causes.  There appears to be little effort made to stop people letting their dogs shit anywhere, even busy sidewalks. 

Also there is this common 'theme' tossed around that Spain is a noisy place and that dogs bark all the time and that is the way it is.  I have had dogs all my life and they do not bark all the time - sometimes yes - all the time definitely not.  Its the caged dogs that have no human contact and the ones left all day every day on terraces and constrained in small apartments that bark in despair all the time, many hungry, thirsty and lonely.  There are laws in place which are not upheld by the authorities. [Perhaps this is because the laws were created by the EU and not by the Spanish authorities directly.]

I do not believe that the acceptance of animal neglect and cruelty should be encouraged under any condition.  Animals need a voice and we who care about them are all they have, wherever in the world they live and whichever culture their human owners come from.

Why not start a movement to appoint dog wardens and punish bad owners?

TB

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:33pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:33pm

KevinBD wrote on Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:19am:

Do tell us ignorant people then. How do you train a dog to stop barking?

Notes from search, All dogs bark, but if you're finding that your dog is barking all day and night, it's time to take action. ... Common causes of excessive or inappropriate barking are: excitement; boredom; anxiety; disturbances and attention-seeking behaviour. Address the reason for the unwanted barking and you will reduce it.
Why Dogs Bark: Stop Excessive Barking - Pet WebMD
https://pets.webmd.com › Healthy Dogs › Guide 

How to Stop Nuisance Dog Barking – American Kennel Club

https://www.akc.org › ... › Common Behavior Issues

How to Stop Nuisance Dog Barking · Exercise. Make sure your dog has an adequate amount of physical and mental exercise before you leave in the morning.Why Your Dog Is Barking and How to Stop It - Preventive Vethttps://www.preventivevet.com › dogs › why-is-your-d...Cesar's Best Tips To Stop Dog Barking | Top 5 Tips | Cesar's ...https://www.cesarsway.com › cesars-best-tips-to-stop-do...
10 Oct 2019 — 1. Correct Dog Problem Behavior and Follow Through. · 2. Stay Calm When Trying to Stop Dog Barking. · 3. Stake Your Claim to Stop the Barking.Stop your dog barking | Help & advice | Dogs Trust | Dogs Trusthttps://www.dogstrust.org.uk › Help & advice › Training
Five top tips to stop your dog barking · 1. Don't tell your dog off · 2. Avoid things your dog finds scary · 3. Teach your dog calmer ways of telling you what they want · 4.

KevinBD

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:39pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:39pm

TB wrote on Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:33pm:

Notes from search, All dogs bark, but if you're finding that your dog is barking all day and night, it's time to take action. ... Common causes of excessive or inappropriate barking are: excitement; boredom; anxiety; disturbances and att...

...ention-seeking behaviour. Address the reason for the unwanted barking and you will reduce it.
Why Dogs Bark: Stop Excessive Barking - Pet WebMD
https://pets.webmd.com › Healthy Dogs › Guide 

How to Stop Nuisance Dog Barking – American Kennel Club

https://www.akc.org › ... › Common Behavior Issues

How to Stop Nuisance Dog Barking · Exercise. Make sure your dog has an adequate amount of physical and mental exercise before you leave in the morning.Why Your Dog Is Barking and How to Stop It - Preventive Vethttps://www.preventivevet.com › dogs › why-is-your-d...Cesar's Best Tips To Stop Dog Barking | Top 5 Tips | Cesar's ...https://www.cesarsway.com › cesars-best-tips-to-stop-do...
10 Oct 2019 — 1. Correct Dog Problem Behavior and Follow Through. · 2. Stay Calm When Trying to Stop Dog Barking. · 3. Stake Your Claim to Stop the Barking.Stop your dog barking | Help & advice | Dogs Trust | Dogs Trusthttps://www.dogstrust.org.uk › Help & advice › Training
Five top tips to stop your dog barking · 1. Don't tell your dog off · 2. Avoid things your dog finds scary · 3. Teach your dog calmer ways of telling you what they want · 4.

Throw water over it, that stops them barking. 

SSJ

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 7:26pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 7:26pm

KevinBD wrote on Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:03pm:

You indicated that it is Spain, live with it, I just cannot turn away, not in my nature, whether it is animal or human. My dog was attacked on the 1st day we got him. Some dog was roaming around the Plaza and I was just walking my dog, in his harness and on a lead. The dog came out of a restauran...

...t and bit him on the side of his face. My dog was shocked and yelped and tried to run away from me. I had no idea why it happened, but the dog had a collar on. Some people told me that its owner throws it out in the morning and that it scavenges around the plaza all day until closing time around midnight. It attacks other dogs and nobody can control it. A few weeks later, I was out with my dog, just walking along the road and the same dog went for him again, only this time, I saw it and so did my dog. He went absolutely bananas trying to get it and the other dog ran for its life. I will not have my dog attacking other dogs, nor will I stand by and watch him being attacked. If a dog goes for me, I will make sure it never does it twice.

I totally agree that no dog should attack or be attacked, whatever the circumstances.  Dogs are supposed to be pets not wild animals, therefore the owners have a responsibility to raise them and train them as if there were pets and not guard dogs.  There are no excuses! 

SSJ

Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 7:31pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 8, 2021 7:31pm

KevinBD wrote on Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:28pm:

Why not start a movement to appoint dog wardens and punish bad owners?

Starting a movement is a fantastic idea.  Thank you. Who is going to offer to give up hours and hours of time in trying to get 'a movement' passed in parliament here - Look at the highways - where cars literally fall through the road because the cracks are so wide - San Roque Highways division seem to have no money to repair them but they do have 1.2m€ to build a 55 car park space in Torre Guadiaro which will have 2 or 3 empty workshops for don't know what yet, when it's built - point I'm making is, with budgets like that being spent entirely wrong, how on earth are we going to get the same town planners to consider a dog warden initiative? 

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