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IS ANYONE GOING TO SOLVE THE DOG BARKING AND FOULING ISSUE IN THE PORT/MARINA?

Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:43pm
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SSJ

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I have asked Security to investigate the continuous dogs barking which echoes across the marina every day and every night.  Security say to call the police. The police are not interested, understandably as they have more serious things to deal with.  So who is looking after the residents' right to peace and comfort?  I totally fail to understand why this area is described as 'elite'.  Tonight, at the start of the holiday season, it sounds like a council estate in Peckham!  Not to mention the incredibly filthy fouling of the sidewalks. I have spoken to the estates office and community office but they say "it's the dog owners, they are to blame" - that's it, nothing more - no sign of any attempt to solve the problem. 
What is happening this evening is clear, it is the 3rd night where a Terrior has barked a loud shrill bark continuously since 7.30pm when the owners have left it alone while they go out.  

It appears that there is no-one willing to issue a notice to every single home owner/renter, that they MUST keep pets on leads, clear up after them and STOP this horrendous, continuous barking.  

If anyone has any idea who we can turn to, please kindly let me know.  God only knows why people pay 6000-8000€ per month in the summer to live here. 

Thank you for any help you can offer. 

AndyP

Posted: Fri Jul 2, 2021 9:53am

AndyP

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Posted: Fri Jul 2, 2021 9:53am

It's Spain. It's a noisy country (the 2nd noisiest in the world apparently) and many people have dogs. It's a fact of life and being realistic you need to get used to it. I'm not being unsympathetic but if you genuinely want a quiet life then Spain is probably not the country for you. Even if you move to the campo, chances are that your nearest neighbour will have dogs and dog barking travels. If you are that concerned then the onus of responsibility falls to you to report it to the police where you can denounce the culprit (or his/her owner). Just remember that inconvenience to you is probably not a crime. Sorry if that's harsh but it is the reality. Anyway, what's wrong with Peckham? :)

pricklyone

Posted: Fri Jul 2, 2021 10:46am

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Posted: Fri Jul 2, 2021 10:46am

The law says that dogs in residential areas must be stopped from barking between 11pm and 7am. If there's any barking in those hours then reporting it to the police would see results but, your post implies this isn't the case. Of course, when owners go out they don't hear their dog barking, they're blissfully unaware and the dog probably shuts up when they get home. If you know where the owners live, maybe you could point out to them their dog gets distressed when they are out? This law doesn't apply to campo dogs, though. 

Otherwise, yes, as Andy P says, this is Spain. It's noisy. My daughter lives in Peckham, it's actually a very nice place and she's happy there.

SSJ

Posted: Mon Jul 5, 2021 5:06pm

SSJ

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Posted: Mon Jul 5, 2021 5:06pm

pricklyone wrote on Fri Jul 2, 2021 10:46am:

The law says that dogs in residential areas must be stopped from barking between 11pm and 7am. If there's any barking in those hours then reporting it to the police would see results but, your post implies this isn't the case. Of course, when owners go out they don't hear their dog barking, they'...

...re blissfully unaware and the dog probably shuts up when they get home. If you know where the owners live, maybe you could point out to them their dog gets distressed when they are out? This law doesn't apply to campo dogs, though. 

Otherwise, yes, as Andy P says, this is Spain. It's noisy. My daughter lives in Peckham, it's actually a very nice place and she's happy there.

Just a couple of errors in those replies:  Spain is not actually the 2nd most noisiest country in the world - far from it.  

Actually, whilst the public roads in the 'Campo' as one calls it, are under the jurisdiction of and governed by the Spanish police, the law does apply.  

We do here barking 24/7 so yes, it seems that barking violates the law. 

If  we are told to 'get used to it' then it's obvious why this sort of thing happens.  Just different class attitudes I guess.  Different expectations.  

Nothing at all is wrong with Peckham - however it is noisy with screaming children and barking dogs. 

Finally, dogs were not created to bark - I have no idea why it is so acceptable here - usually when dogs bark continuously, it is because they are unhappy - which saddens me, as an animal lover. 

KevinBD

Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:09pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:09pm

AndyP wrote on Fri Jul 2, 2021 9:53am:

It's Spain. It's a noisy country (the 2nd noisiest in the world apparently) and many people have dogs. It's a fact of life and being realistic you need to get used to it. I'm not being unsympathetic but if you genuinely want a quiet life then Spain is probably not the country for you. Even if you...

... move to the campo, chances are that your nearest neighbour will have dogs and dog barking travels. If you are that concerned then the onus of responsibility falls to you to report it to the police where you can denounce the culprit (or his/her owner). Just remember that inconvenience to you is probably not a crime. Sorry if that's harsh but it is the reality. Anyway, what's wrong with Peckham? :)

I have a cross between a hunting dog and a wolf. He is huge and very strong. He is kept on a lead and in a harness and never roams around alone. I recently took him for a walk into the town and he was just walking with me. 2 dogs, both with collars on, tried to attack him and began barking loudly at him. He is not aggressive, but when they started to approach him, he began growling at them, They both ran away but continued to bark at him. The owner of one dog had a go at me telling me that he was too big to be out and that he was scaring his dog. I absolutely exploded at him. I told him it was HIS dog that caused the problem and that my dog is fully registered, inoculated and castrated to keep him calm. Thankfully, some other people started having a go at him and told him that my dog had done nothing wrong. Cannot wait to meet him when I do not have my dog to look after. I shall have the discussion about selfish owners allowing their dogs to be a nuisance

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KevinBD

Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:10pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:10pm

AndyP wrote on Fri Jul 2, 2021 9:53am:

It's Spain. It's a noisy country (the 2nd noisiest in the world apparently) and many people have dogs. It's a fact of life and being realistic you need to get used to it. I'm not being unsympathetic but if you genuinely want a quiet life then Spain is probably not the country for you. Even if you...

... move to the campo, chances are that your nearest neighbour will have dogs and dog barking travels. If you are that concerned then the onus of responsibility falls to you to report it to the police where you can denounce the culprit (or his/her owner). Just remember that inconvenience to you is probably not a crime. Sorry if that's harsh but it is the reality. Anyway, what's wrong with Peckham? :)

Police do nothing, nor do the ayuntamientos, I have been there and done that. Seems the personal approach is best

Kerri

Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:30pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:30pm

SSJ wrote on Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:43pm:

I have asked Security to investigate the continuous dogs barking which echoes across the marina every day and every night.  Security say to call the police. The police are not interested, understandably as they have more serious things to deal with.  So who is looking after the resident...

...s' right to peace and comfort?  I totally fail to understand why this area is described as 'elite'.  Tonight, at the start of the holiday season, it sounds like a council estate in Peckham!  Not to mention the incredibly filthy fouling of the sidewalks. I have spoken to the estates office and community office but they say "it's the dog owners, they are to blame" - that's it, nothing more - no sign of any attempt to solve the problem. 
What is happening this evening is clear, it is the 3rd night where a Terrior has barked a loud shrill bark continuously since 7.30pm when the owners have left it alone while they go out.  

It appears that there is no-one willing to issue a notice to every single home owner/renter, that they MUST keep pets on leads, clear up after them and STOP this horrendous, continuous barking.  

If anyone has any idea who we can turn to, please kindly let me know.  God only knows why people pay 6000-8000€ per month in the summer to live here. 

Thank you for any help you can offer. 

First let me say that I do not accept the animal cruelty in Spain as anywhere close to ok!!!  I will never say "this is Spain and its noisy, get used to it"  but the fact is that the authorities REFUSE to do anything at all about it.  If you are a foreigner then forget it entirely.  Unfortunately people in many parts of the world, Spain included, do not see animals the way we do.

Even though I said "forget it entirely..." I never think that staying quiet is the right approach.  Although nothing will be done I say you should write to the Ayuntamiento and contact the Police.  Report it and write about it and never stay quiet to accept it.  Its not acceptable.  Just have to accept nothing will be done NOW.  I believe that over time with enough people saying "enough already" that slowly change will happen.  Maybe not in our lifetime but sometime.  

If we all just accept it as "the Spanish way" then we support their animal indifferent culture.  With all change their requires a number of steps.  Change is difficult and as it is coming from outside this culture so there is resistance.  I have personally denounced hunting dogs being caged and have received violent responses even by my Spanish neighbours.  Seprona came and approved everything as "A OK".  So be prepared for unpleasant responses if you try to talk to the Spanish.  They will not accept your thoughts on this topic.  They have tied their culture to the way they treat animals in an unhealthy way (I believe).  But do report it to the authorities.  They are bound to follow up even though they will do nothing to stop it.

If you do report it please update us here.  Thank you and best wishes, Kerri

SSJ

Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:33pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:33pm

KevinBD wrote on Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:09pm:

I have a cross between a hunting dog and a wolf. He is huge and very strong. He is kept on a lead and in a harness and never roams around alone. I recently took him for a walk into the town and he was just walking with me. 2 dogs, both with collars on, tried to attack him and began barking loudly...

... at him. He is not aggressive, but when they started to approach him, he began growling at them, They both ran away but continued to bark at him. The owner of one dog had a go at me telling me that he was too big to be out and that he was scaring his dog. I absolutely exploded at him. I told him it was HIS dog that caused the problem and that my dog is fully registered, inoculated and castrated to keep him calm. Thankfully, some other people started having a go at him and told him that my dog had done nothing wrong. Cannot wait to meet him when I do not have my dog to look after. I shall have the discussion about selfish owners allowing their dogs to be a nuisance

Really sorry for you!  I love animals, especially those who are properly cared for - such as yours.  In no circumstances whatsoever, should dogs be allowed to roam parks, beaches, streets - anywhere, especially private residences such as Puerto Sotogrande, without a leash and a responsible adult and... should be properly trained to respond to its owner.

I am in Puerto Sotogrande and see dogs of all sizes every day roaming ahead of their owner or even alone, without a leash... barking loudly and running.  My daughter's friends have been badly bitten and terrified by dogs so naturally my daughter is very afraid.

It is chaos!  I don't understand why Security/Police don't immediately fine everyone whose animal is not on a leash or is causing distress.  I haven't seen one sign near me that states dogs off leashes are prohibited. 

Your dog sounds lovely and I hope he isn't attacked again. 

SSJ

Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:39pm

SSJ

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:39pm

KevinBD wrote on Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:10pm:

Police do nothing, nor do the ayuntamientos, I have been there and done that. Seems the personal approach is best

It is such a pity because I used to live in Barcelona but much prefer Spain - especially southern Spain... however, that was one thing Barcelona had complete control over.  Police would attend any complaint concerning a dog barking and they issued as many fines as it took, to bring dogs without leads issue under control; in the 5 years that I lived there, I only remember seeing dogs without leashes, in the official dog parks (yes most towns have one in Barcelona and that is where dog owners could take their dogs to run free). 

KevinBD

Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:03pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:03pm

Kerri wrote on Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:30pm:

First let me say that I do not accept the animal cruelty in Spain as anywhere close to ok!!!  I will never say "this is Spain and its noisy, get used to it"  but the fact is that the authorities REFUSE to do anything at all about it.  If you are a foreigner then forget it entirely....

...  Unfortunately people in many parts of the world, Spain included, do not see animals the way we do.

Even though I said "forget it entirely..." I never think that staying quiet is the right approach.  Although nothing will be done I say you should write to the Ayuntamiento and contact the Police.  Report it and write about it and never stay quiet to accept it.  Its not acceptable.  Just have to accept nothing will be done NOW.  I believe that over time with enough people saying "enough already" that slowly change will happen.  Maybe not in our lifetime but sometime.  

If we all just accept it as "the Spanish way" then we support their animal indifferent culture.  With all change their requires a number of steps.  Change is difficult and as it is coming from outside this culture so there is resistance.  I have personally denounced hunting dogs being caged and have received violent responses even by my Spanish neighbours.  Seprona came and approved everything as "A OK".  So be prepared for unpleasant responses if you try to talk to the Spanish.  They will not accept your thoughts on this topic.  They have tied their culture to the way they treat animals in an unhealthy way (I believe).  But do report it to the authorities.  They are bound to follow up even though they will do nothing to stop it.

If you do report it please update us here.  Thank you and best wishes, Kerri

You indicated that it is Spain, live with it, I just cannot turn away, not in my nature, whether it is animal or human. My dog was attacked on the 1st day we got him. Some dog was roaming around the Plaza and I was just walking my dog, in his harness and on a lead. The dog came out of a restaurant and bit him on the side of his face. My dog was shocked and yelped and tried to run away from me. I had no idea why it happened, but the dog had a collar on. Some people told me that its owner throws it out in the morning and that it scavenges around the plaza all day until closing time around midnight. It attacks other dogs and nobody can control it. A few weeks later, I was out with my dog, just walking along the road and the same dog went for him again, only this time, I saw it and so did my dog. He went absolutely bananas trying to get it and the other dog ran for its life. I will not have my dog attacking other dogs, nor will I stand by and watch him being attacked. If a dog goes for me, I will make sure it never does it twice.

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