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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:10am
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SSJ

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It appears that just about everyone I speak to in Sotogrande are suffering, as I am, through lack of sleep and peace. Unbelievably, the San Roque council have issued 'After Polo' nightclub a licence to play live music throughout the weeks of July and August. The police have expressed that their nightly telephone communication with Sotogrande residents is a continuous stream of complaints, from said residents.  Unfortunately, the police have only a handful of officers available at night to service the whole of San Roque.  However, they have been very supportive and have sent officer, after officer, to the premises to try and ensure the level of noise is lowered.  Sadly, it makes no difference;  the level of sound that echoes to every corner of the neighbourhood far exeeds the legal requirement in a condensed residential area like Sotogrande.  (Whilst the European Union's White Paper has conceded that music is not noise - the repercussions of loud, live music does fall into a legal limit)

'Leisure establishments that will work at nighttime will include normalised noise isolation to preserve the residential buildings next to the venue. (In this case 'After Polo' using the Santa Maria Polo Ground) People's access to the establishment must be through a noise proof space with double door enclosure, when there is PA amplification.  All night activities venues (as is the case with 'After Polo'). have to comply the next checklist: -Floating floors isolated from the concrete or solid base. -Isolating air chambers all over the walls. -Installation of an isolating ceiling non directly attached to the building structure. -The air conditioning pipelines will not be installed in the space between ceiling and solid structure. All pipes and elements suspended has to be under the isolation ceiling.” At the entrance of the club or venue,  there must be free, protective earplugs available.

The licence issued by San Roque Council appears to allow the establishment to continue its business in violation of the European Union's white paper, despite the overall law applicable to sound regulations in Galicia (Spain). 

The police have also approached the San Roque council to ask them to reject any forthcoming applications from the venue as its police force is not equipped with enough officers to fairly cope with the exceptionally high number of complaints from Sotogrande residents or indeed the illegal drink and drive cases.   I am satisfied that the police are fully supportive, on behalf of the residents in this situation. However, the authorities were very surprised to find that the Sotogrande security teams were not out in force to minimise the outstanding noise caused by the attendees of the venue as they leave the premises at Santa Maria Polo Ground.  I am also surprised, as we have not seen a single patrol car pass or approach anyone causing this disturbance.

At the time of moving to Sotogrande, we were assured that the security team constantly patrol the 'resort'.  However, this is not the case.  When my neighbours have called the security regarding the unbelievable disturbances caused by those leaving the club ; they have referred the caller to Gardia Civil - who have assured us that the matter is that of the Police Local (who, as I have already said, have been as supportive as possible).  

The licence issued by San Roque council appears to allow the disruption of peace and quiet for residents within Sotogrande and the surrounding areas (apparently the music has been heard up to 10 km away) between 12 midnight and 5am despite it violating many noise regulations. One can only imagine what it is like if one lives within metres of the blue gates entering the polo fields, on Ave de la Marina, when revellers - who exit the blue gates, shouting, screaming and undeniably disturbing the peace (to which residents in built-up areas are entitled) and continue to 'party' by either standing by their cars on Ave de la Marina, drinking and singing and shouting and, as was the case this morning, removing large quantites of licquor from the trunk of their car and proceed to 'party' in their car before driving off in the vehicles at around 06:00!  

This unacceptable situation doesn't just happen once a year or once a month, it is happening night after night, throughout the week.  It has now got to the stage where my family, who have to get up at 6.30 each day to prepare for work, and myself are unable to function properly - due to 5 weeks of disrupted sleep whereby we achieve no more than 2 hours of sleep a night. 

I just wondered if anyone had knowledge of a petition in circulation, that can be presented to San Roque council to attempt to prevent another year of hell in 2023?

Thank you for your attention, please feel welcome to respond. 

Holaitsdavid

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:50pm

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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:50pm

Where you not aware of the club when you brought the property?  Unless you live in the Campo Spain can often be a noisy place, they wash the streets at night and empty the garbage, people don't really worry about 24 hour noise, it's normal. Try buying some noise cancelling ear buds or ear plugs, you will find it hard here to get positive results complaining about noise, it's part of the custom. 

Kerri

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:49pm

Kerri

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:49pm

SSJ wrote on Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:10am:

It appears that just about everyone I speak to in Sotogrande are suffering, as I am, through lack of sleep and peace. Unbelievably, the San Roque council have issued 'After Polo' nightclub a licence to play live music throughout the weeks of July and August. The police have expressed that their n...

...ightly telephone communication with Sotogrande residents is a continuous stream of complaints, from said residents.  Unfortunately, the police have only a handful of officers available at night to service the whole of San Roque.  However, they have been very supportive and have sent officer, after officer, to the premises to try and ensure the level of noise is lowered.  Sadly, it makes no difference;  the level of sound that echoes to every corner of the neighbourhood far exeeds the legal requirement in a condensed residential area like Sotogrande.  (Whilst the European Union's White Paper has conceded that music is not noise - the repercussions of loud, live music does fall into a legal limit)

'Leisure establishments that will work at nighttime will include normalised noise isolation to preserve the residential buildings next to the venue. (In this case 'After Polo' using the Santa Maria Polo Ground) People's access to the establishment must be through a noise proof space with double door enclosure, when there is PA amplification.  All night activities venues (as is the case with 'After Polo'). have to comply the next checklist: -Floating floors isolated from the concrete or solid base. -Isolating air chambers all over the walls. -Installation of an isolating ceiling non directly attached to the building structure. -The air conditioning pipelines will not be installed in the space between ceiling and solid structure. All pipes and elements suspended has to be under the isolation ceiling.” At the entrance of the club or venue,  there must be free, protective earplugs available.

The licence issued by San Roque Council appears to allow the establishment to continue its business in violation of the European Union's white paper, despite the overall law applicable to sound regulations in Galicia (Spain). 

The police have also approached the San Roque council to ask them to reject any forthcoming applications from the venue as its police force is not equipped with enough officers to fairly cope with the exceptionally high number of complaints from Sotogrande residents or indeed the illegal drink and drive cases.   I am satisfied that the police are fully supportive, on behalf of the residents in this situation. However, the authorities were very surprised to find that the Sotogrande security teams were not out in force to minimise the outstanding noise caused by the attendees of the venue as they leave the premises at Santa Maria Polo Ground.  I am also surprised, as we have not seen a single patrol car pass or approach anyone causing this disturbance.

At the time of moving to Sotogrande, we were assured that the security team constantly patrol the 'resort'.  However, this is not the case.  When my neighbours have called the security regarding the unbelievable disturbances caused by those leaving the club ; they have referred the caller to Gardia Civil - who have assured us that the matter is that of the Police Local (who, as I have already said, have been as supportive as possible).  

The licence issued by San Roque council appears to allow the disruption of peace and quiet for residents within Sotogrande and the surrounding areas (apparently the music has been heard up to 10 km away) between 12 midnight and 5am despite it violating many noise regulations. One can only imagine what it is like if one lives within metres of the blue gates entering the polo fields, on Ave de la Marina, when revellers - who exit the blue gates, shouting, screaming and undeniably disturbing the peace (to which residents in built-up areas are entitled) and continue to 'party' by either standing by their cars on Ave de la Marina, drinking and singing and shouting and, as was the case this morning, removing large quantites of licquor from the trunk of their car and proceed to 'party' in their car before driving off in the vehicles at around 06:00!  

This unacceptable situation doesn't just happen once a year or once a month, it is happening night after night, throughout the week.  It has now got to the stage where my family, who have to get up at 6.30 each day to prepare for work, and myself are unable to function properly - due to 5 weeks of disrupted sleep whereby we achieve no more than 2 hours of sleep a night. 

I just wondered if anyone had knowledge of a petition in circulation, that can be presented to San Roque council to attempt to prevent another year of hell in 2023?

Thank you for your attention, please feel welcome to respond. 

Constant noise at a level we are not used to is very difficult for sensitive people.  

I have had to replace 4 sets of terrace doors facing the valley where I live because of the caged dogs that bark 24/7 (up to around 75 in various cages) at a cost of 5,000 euros to me.  I cannot sleep with my windows/doors open ever and not even with ear plugs!

Apart from a couple of non Spanish no one pays the least attention to this level of noise in their lives.  As David says 'its part of the custom' of Spain - or so it seems.

I just wrote this reply to let you know you are not alone suffering with noise -- not that its of any help to you.  Good luck with the petition.

Elle

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:52pm

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:52pm

So sorry to read this report.  You didn't sign up for this.  I'm no help to you, but I sympathise with you and you our family.  Good luck and, please, keep us posted on your forum.

SSJ

Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:12pm

SSJ

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Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:12pm

Holaitsdavid wrote on Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:50pm:

Where you not aware of the club when you brought the property?  Unless you live in the Campo Spain can often be a noisy place, they wash the streets at night and empty the garbage, people don't really worry about 24 hour noise, it's normal. Try buying some noise cancelling ear buds or ear pl...

...ugs, you will find it hard here to get positive results complaining about noise, it's part of the custom. 

No, on the contrary - we were advised by local realtors (and they are still advising) that Sotogrande is 'elite' and tranquil! 

Custom or not - it distincly violates the European laws of live entertainment. It absolutely is not normal.  Furthermore, it violates drink, drive laws relevant in Spain.  This is not normal.  Neither is it acceptable by the hundreds who complain and the police local who have to try to control it. 

Maybe local real estate is being sold dishonestly! It's completely untrue and inaccurate to rent or sell property under the dillusional adjectives being used to describe this area as quite and tranquil! 

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SSJ

Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:20pm

SSJ

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Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:20pm

Kerri wrote on Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:49pm:

Constant noise at a level we are not used to is very difficult for sensitive people.  

I have had to replace 4 sets of terrace doors facing the valley where I live because of the caged dogs that bark 24/7 (up to around 75 in various cages) at a cost of 5,000 euros to me.  I cannot sleep with my windows/doors open ever and not even with ear plugs!...

...

Apart from a couple of non Spanish no one pays the least attention to this level of noise in their lives.  As David says 'its part of the custom' of Spain - or so it seems.

I just wrote this reply to let you know you are not alone suffering with noise -- not that its of any help to you.  Good luck with the petition.

Thank you Kerri - it helps to know there are some who sympathise.  I didn't mention the dogs.  We suffer from that too!  In the summer months we should be able to enjoy sleeping with our windows open but we cannot because of these crazy, selfish people. My family all have expensive noise reducing earplugs and headphones but they certainly do not work sufficiently to allow sleep. 

The police have shown tremendous support and do all they can.  I would be surprised if they do not approach the San Roque council licensing department who have a lot to answer for. 

On one hand Sotogrande authorities claim they do not want Sotogrande to appear like Estepona or Marbella by not permitting flower pots outside boutiques but here they are appearing to (I don't know if they do or not or if they have applied to the council with regards to disallowing this club next year) support a nightclub - worse than any I've heard in Marbella or Estepona! 

Anyway, again - thank you for taking the time to send a message of support. 

SSJ

Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:22pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:22pm

Elle wrote on Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:52pm:

So sorry to read this report.  You didn't sign up for this.  I'm no help to you, but I sympathise with you and you our family.  Good luck and, please, keep us posted on your forum.

"Thank you so much for your sympathy".  I appreciate your reply".

Kerri

Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:31pm

Kerri

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Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:31pm

SSJ wrote on Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:20pm:

Thank you Kerri - it helps to know there are some who sympathise.  I didn't mention the dogs.  We suffer from that too!  In the summer months we should be able to enjoy sleeping with our windows open but we cannot because of these crazy, selfish people. My family all have expensive...

... noise reducing earplugs and headphones but they certainly do not work sufficiently to allow sleep. 

The police have shown tremendous support and do all they can.  I would be surprised if they do not approach the San Roque council licensing department who have a lot to answer for. 

On one hand Sotogrande authorities claim they do not want Sotogrande to appear like Estepona or Marbella by not permitting flower pots outside boutiques but here they are appearing to (I don't know if they do or not or if they have applied to the council with regards to disallowing this club next year) support a nightclub - worse than any I've heard in Marbella or Estepona! 

Anyway, again - thank you for taking the time to send a message of support. 

My hope is that constant pressure from non-Spanish will push local authorities --- eventually -- into making decisions to support the improvement in the lives of ALL their tax paying residents and not just the Spanish that we continue to let off with all sorts of justifications on their culture.  I believe some 'cultural activities' should change and need to evolve such as the cruel treatment of animals and high levels of noise that keep people awake at night.  

Enabling these activities in any modern society is irresponsible by policy makers IMHO and everyone should complain and press for change.  Otherwise how do improvements in living conditions ever happen?

So thanks to you as well SSJ in pressurizing the local authorities and everyone else who plays a role in enabling a high level of noise to disrupt the lives of so many to please the few.

Kerri

Holaitsdavid

Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 11:49pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 1, 2022 11:49pm

Kerri wrote on Thu Sep 1, 2022 5:31pm:

My hope is that constant pressure from non-Spanish will push local authorities --- eventually -- into making decisions to support the improvement in the lives of ALL their tax paying residents and not just the Spanish that we continue to let off with all sorts of justifications on their culture.&...

...nbsp; I believe some 'cultural activities' should change and need to evolve such as the cruel treatment of animals and high levels of noise that keep people awake at night.  

Enabling these activities in any modern society is irresponsible by policy makers IMHO and everyone should complain and press for change.  Otherwise how do improvements in living conditions ever happen?

So thanks to you as well SSJ in pressurizing the local authorities and everyone else who plays a role in enabling a high level of noise to disrupt the lives of so many to please the few.

Kerri

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_and_rights_in_Spain

 "I believe some 'cultural activities' should change and need to evolve such as the cruel treatment of animals and high levels of noise that keep people awake at night"

I live in an urban area and from what I see Spanish are very caring about their pets, as for noise, they are not quiet people, plus many things take place at night, from high pressure washing of the streets, garbage collection, noisy motor bikes. loud voices, which they never lower if people are sleeping. Feria time life goes on 24 hours, they would not allow many noise related things to happen in the UK after a certain hour. the public would be outraged. I have had a home here for 25 years, so I just expect it to be noisy, I think only very loud early building work only ever woke me up. I fall asleep normally listening to UK - LBC radio and wake if goes off, I don't like silence, so in that way very much like the Spanish. Most Spanish are urban community people, children play in the parks until they drop, often after midnight, life away from the big urbanisations life can be very different, I have heard often Brits complain of barking dogs and the way animals are treated. In quite places the dynamic of noise can be more disturbing, than when it's constant. 

As for animals, it's possible people in the campo and villages have different attitude towards pets, dogs often more for security and not pets, in the same way, I had a cat once living in the county UK just to keep the mice away, there are many domestic animals in the campo, I had a friend here who ended up adopting about 30 dogs and other animals a complete menagerie, feed them and they adopt you. In the UK Urban attitudes and rural are more similar with pets, but not the same in Spain.   

On noise, there are apps that generate constant noise that help people sleep, like constant rain and all sorts of noises that work well for many people you can have a crackling fireplace. Link https://www.sleepfoundation.org/best-sleep-apps/best-white-noise-apps

Kerri

Posted: Fri Sep 2, 2022 12:31am

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Posted: Fri Sep 2, 2022 12:31am

Holaitsdavid wrote on Thu Sep 1, 2022 11:49pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_and_rights_in_Spain

 "I believe some 'cultural activities' should change and need to evolve such as the cruel treatment of animals and high levels of noise that keep people awake at night"

I live in an urban area and from what I see Spanish are very caring about their pets, as for noise, they are not quiet people, plus many things take place at night, from high pressure washing of the streets, garbage collection, noisy motor bikes. loud voices, which they never lower if people are sleeping. Feria time life goes on 24 hours, they would not allow many noise related things to happen in the UK after a certain hour. the public would be outraged. I have had a home here for 25 years, so I just expect it to be noisy, I think only very loud early building work only ever woke me up. I fall asleep normally listening to UK - LBC radio and wake if goes off, I don't like silence, so in that way very much like the Spanish. Most Spanish are urban community people, children play in the parks until they drop, often after midnight, life away from the big urbanisations life can be very different, I have heard often Brits complain of barking dogs and the way animals are treated. In quite places the dynamic of noise can be more disturbing, than when it's constant. 

As for animals, it's possible people in the campo and villages have different attitude towards pets, dogs often more for security and not pets, in the same way, I had a cat once living in the county UK just to keep the mice away, there are many domestic animals in the campo, I had a friend here who ended up adopting about 30 dogs and other animals a complete menagerie, feed them and they adopt you. In the UK Urban attitudes and rural are more similar with pets, but not the same in Spain.   

On noise, there are apps that generate constant noise that help people sleep, like constant rain and all sorts of noises that work well for many people you can have a crackling fireplace. Link https://www.sleepfoundation.org/best-sleep-apps/best-white-noise-apps

Hi David,

I like the hustle and bustle of Spain also!  However, the dogs I speak of are not for security and they are not pets.  It is for this reason they fall through the cracks of animal welfare laws.

These dogs are kept in constructed cages in the hills and valleys surrounding Villages.  They are fed old, hard bread and filthy water.  They bark 24/7 of course.  No one seems to know the purpose of this activity and although some people will shrug it off and call them 'hunters dogs' it is not the case.  From my terrace I can see 4 such constructed cages totaling approximately 75 dogs and most of them never leave their 'compounds'.  If I go for a short walk I can find several more such constructions.  In my vicinity there could be upwards of 125 dogs that are caged for no particular reason other than my conclusion that its a "Macho" thing.  There are no homes where these dogs are kept.

People always say the Spanish love dogs and animals but if that is the case why do they turn their back on these tragic dogs that live in isolated cages full of feces?  I am sure this same activity goes on all over the place in Spain. 

In any other modern society people would not generally stand by and justify this dreadful treatment of dogs in 2022 as the Spanish do.  And of course the non Spanish are ignored.  Yes I have gone through the process of reporting it.

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