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KevinBD

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:38pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:38pm

MrBluesky66 wrote on Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:25pm:

Hi Guys ,

 Thank you for the tips and help .

 The cost of the insurance is not putting us off ,as we would be under uk 'retirement age ' if this is a issue  for some insurance providers ?

I read that a visit, in person, to a UK Spanish Embassy is also necessary?

Wait until the paperwork strats and the requirements to be met to gain citizenship. Just use a solicitor and let them do it all

KevinBD

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:39pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:39pm

Holaitsdavid wrote on Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:11pm:

I agree obtaining a Non Lucrative Visa to Spain for only a 6 month period is not really viable. 

Non-Lucrative Visa Spain ~ How to easily qualify & apply today (wherecani.live)

I note you suggest 'Portugal', however, they are also part of the 'Schengen Area'. The 90/180 day rule is not ‘enshrined’ in EU law but a regulation passed by members of the Schengen & the rules adopted collectively as law by their own parliaments. (Countries not in the Schengen Area agreement do not apply this rule but may have other requirements) 

Brexit means no easy option for UK citizens

KevinBD

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:40pm

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BRADDERS wrote on Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:00pm:

Hi,

There is no actual guide unfortunately but having been through the process glad to help you avoid the pitfalls..

If you are going to go for 6 months it will prove a costly process as you need to have full medical cover in place for three months before departure… looking at your banner you are same age as me so for two people with no underlying health issues it’s £150 a month for two.. the visas snd translation costs for health form snd ACRO for two people is about 1400…

You might be better looking at Portugal which is still 180 days in 180 days out… happy to help with any questions you may have 

Clive 

If you are cynical enough, get into France and just drive down.

KevinBD

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:42pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:42pm

Holaitsdavid wrote on Wed Oct 6, 2021 12:28pm:

All the facts for a Non Lucrative Visa in this Link.

Non-Lucrative Visa Spain ~ How to easily qualify & apply today (wherecani.live)

I have completed the whole process and have my status. It is a bit late to be trying now, Brexit is hated in Spain

BRADDERS

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 7:20pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 7:20pm

KevinBD wrote on Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:40pm:

If you are cynical enough, get into France and just drive down.

You could fly to Faro then cross into Spain … I not sure what border is like.. when you  leave fly out of Faro??? 180 days in 180 days out… 

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Holaitsdavid

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:25pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:25pm

BRADDERS wrote on Wed Oct 6, 2021 7:20pm:

You could fly to Faro then cross into Spain … I not sure what border is like.. when you  leave fly out of Faro??? 180 days in 180 days out… 


You still enter and leave the 'Schengen Area' not just about Spain? Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, 'Portugal', Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.  

MrBluesky66

Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 10:15am

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Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 10:15am

KevinBD wrote on Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:40pm:

If you are cynical enough, get into France and just drive down.

Hi . KevinBD

I have thought of this  idea. As  we wanted to do a road trip also ? I take it they do not stamp your passport on the road Toll ? we would be in a hire car / train . 

So Enter via France then exit via Spain ,10 - 12 months later ?  loop hole  or am I being too cynical ?? lol 

Kerri

Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 11:50am

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Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 11:50am

MrBluesky66 wrote on Thu Oct 7, 2021 10:15am:

Hi . KevinBD

I have thought of this  idea. As  we wanted to do a road trip also ? I take it they do not stamp your passport on the road Toll ? we would be in a hire car / train . 

So Enter via France then exit via Spain ,10 - 12 months later ?  loop hole  or am I being too cynical ?? lol 

These are all just people with their opinions!  I drove from Spain into Portugal and didn't even know when I crossed the border.  Expect the same from France into Spain but I have not done it myself.

I understand there are many, many people still living here in Spain without official documentation because when they came no one checked.  Well back a few decades ago there was not the technology to track people's movements in the same way.

Nowadays things are different.  Likely you can get away with anything until you get caught and questions become difficult.  What happens if you get suddenly sick on the road?  Where do you go?  What do you do?

I suppose it is easy for a young person to swing here and there and ride under the radar of the authorities but its always a question if something goes wrong and what are the consequences and are you prepared to take those risks??

Yes, due to Brexit getting residency in Spain is more difficult but it isn't impossible.  You just need more resources than before.  But getting residency has its costs.  Residency in any Country means taxes.  Unfortunately, and for reasons that seem unclear, Schenegan rules across most of Europe is 90 days in with a 90 day out.  Want more, become a resident and pay the price of that in taxes.  

It is definitely not the world we used to live in with limited rules and those in place difficult to enforce.  Technology has changed everything.  I always believe its best to evaluate the risks and ask yourself if you are willing to pay the price if you do not get away with breaking the law.

Holaitsdavid

Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 11:59am

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Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 11:59am

MrBluesky66 wrote on Thu Oct 7, 2021 10:15am:

Hi . KevinBD

I have thought of this  idea. As  we wanted to do a road trip also ? I take it they do not stamp your passport on the road Toll ? we would be in a hire car / train . 

So Enter via France then exit via Spain ,10 - 12 months later ?  loop hole  or am I being too cynical ?? lol 

"So Enter via France" that does not help I  posted above (Your stay started when you reached France or any of those below list) 

'You still enter and leave the 'Schengen Area' it's not just about Spain? All these countries count as one as no borders. - Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, 'Portugal', Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland'.

It's nothing to do directly with Spain, your passport is stamped when you enter and leave the "Schengen" area, the 90 day stay is there regardless of the country, all one area within the EU/EEA/EFTA., Stamped again when you leave and return to country which does not belong. to the Schengen zone, these are not part -  Albania, Andora, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Ireland, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Moldova, Monaco, Montenegro, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine, 'The United Kingdom' and Vatican City. 

Your passport simply gets stamped upon your arrival and departure from Europe's Schengen Zone. 

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/brits-overstaying-eus-90-180-days-rule-to-face-penalties/

KevinBD

Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 12:02pm

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Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2021 12:02pm

Kerri wrote on Thu Oct 7, 2021 11:50am:

These are all just people with their opinions!  I drove from Spain into Portugal and didn't even know when I crossed the border.  Expect the same from France into Spain but I have not done it myself.

I understand there are many, many people still living here in Spain without official documentation because when they came no one checked.  Well back a few decades ago there was not the technology to track people's movements in the same way....

...

Nowadays things are different.  Likely you can get away with anything until you get caught and questions become difficult.  What happens if you get suddenly sick on the road?  Where do you go?  What do you do?

I suppose it is easy for a young person to swing here and there and ride under the radar of the authorities but its always a question if something goes wrong and what are the consequences and are you prepared to take those risks??

Yes, due to Brexit getting residency in Spain is more difficult but it isn't impossible.  You just need more resources than before.  But getting residency has its costs.  Residency in any Country means taxes.  Unfortunately, and for reasons that seem unclear, Schenegan rules across most of Europe is 90 days in with a 90 day out.  Want more, become a resident and pay the price of that in taxes.  

It is definitely not the world we used to live in with limited rules and those in place difficult to enforce.  Technology has changed everything.  I always believe its best to evaluate the risks and ask yourself if you are willing to pay the price if you do not get away with breaking the law.

Hate to tell this to people, but I just drove through France, Channel tunnel route and on to Spain. No checks after Calais. There again, I am legal after gaining residency, but I know many who are not but just keep below the radar

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